In this excerpt from a long discussion with host Keyvan Davani, I was asked to share my thoughts on Brian Murarescu's book 'The Immortality Key' which posits that Christ's ministry was a success due to the fact that Jesus was an initiate of an ancient drug cult located at Eleusis and helped his followers discover their spirituality through a mix of dionysian rituals and early psychedelics.
And no, Yeshua was a jew, not a worshiper of Dionysus.
As for “was his eucharist based on the psychedelic rights of non jewish temples”?
Read “The Apples of Apollo”, Ruck et. al.
Do your own research. The orthodoxy was designed to suppress this and still does. In some ways this is a diversion in other ways it exposes the lies the left is telling non stop.
I recommend staying sober and keeping your wits, the world is very weird and dangerous enough without psychedelics. Also keep away from Pharma drugs, adrenal, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics ... if you can. These all dull your mind.
The answer to the question if “Should I take the red pill or blue pill” should be “How about I take no pill, eat a steak, stop eating fake foods and oils, lift some weight, and get my head on straight.” Pills and shrooms can not fix a unhealthy diet.
Eat steak or lamb. Have nuts,seeds, fruits, olive oil , barley,spelt and other grains. No psychedelics required. Big Pharma is now dangerous as are the fringe bloggers of aberrant media-medicine.
The proponents of Jesus and Yahweh having a healthcare message is true. Loma Linda University located in Loma Linda , California is a leading center. The 7th Day Adventist Church follows this message worldwide.
Avoid fringe thinking. Parts of the NKJB are into health like Leviticus 13. Read Daniel and Revelations. These 2 chapters dramatize where timeline is for humanity. No psychedelics are required to receive this wake up message.
Regarding your advice to avoid alcohol and keep a good diet, to keep our minds healthy, which I completely agree with; would you see psychedelic mushrooms in the same category as something like alcohol, and out of interest, can I ask if you have ever had an experience with psychedelic mushrooms? (I ask politely, with cognizance of your privacy, if you do not wish to divulge that information)
No. I have eaten lions mane mushrooms, with no noticeable effects. I am afraid to try random other mushrooms. The only trance like effects I have seen are some “entoptic phenomena” when falling asleep, in the dark. These range from normally just blue slowly pulsing light shows, to an occasional vivid brilliant yellow angular pattern display that goes away when I open my eyes to the dark room, and pops back on when I close my eyes again. This seems to happen more reliably in a 5+ day fast.
The bottom line is I do not need to eat mushrooms, and can be perfectly sober to see these “dreams”.
I have always seen these patterns when falling asleep I remember them when I was 5 years old. Pharmaceuticals, aspirin, alcohol, etc all eliminate the effect. Heavy meals, too many carbs, also eliminate them.
I've seen many people comment about psychedelic mushrooms, without having any experience with them first hand.
It is a life changing experience, the benefits of which could not be explained by words.
They grow naturally, within the cycle of nature, and I would say, grow for a purpose. It isn't a poison.
I can always tell too, when people are fixated on visions, because of the stories they've heard about these effects from the mushroom.
What you see, you see in your mind, and I would consider it a medicine.
As an analogy - if there is a roller-coaster, and you are walking outside the roller-coaster, around the edges, you can say to people ''don't get on the roller-coaster'' - you can't tell them what the roller-coaster is like, or the real benefits, or even the real consequences of getting on the roller-coaster. You can guess and speculate. If they ask ''why shouldn't we get on the roller-coaster?'', you would really be advising against something you haven't got any knowledge of.
They may not be for everyone, as not everyone would need them. They can be incredibly useful for certain people though, to help unwind the knots and repetitive patterns in the mind, and to come to terms with certain events, and trauma.
I wouldn't write them off, especially without that first hand experience.
Amanita Muscara (Fly Agaric) however is somewhat different! And pretty upsetting to the digestive system unless properly prepared and ingested with mollifying substances.... In Lapland reindeer eat them and are (used to be) followed by the Sámi who would collect the urine and drink that! Santa Klaus and flying reindeer is considered to be a metaphor for this - hence the red and white clothes SK is portrayed with.. (fly agaric is the classic red with white spots mushroom used in Alice in Wonderland and other stories. Very common. Especially on the borders between pine woods and stands of beech, birch and oak.
it's Eleusinian, btw, not Eleusian..And no. Jesus wasn't initiated into a Greek cult. From what we know of the Eleusinian Mysteries, there is very little evidence that it was especially 'satanic' as you have suggested. But yes, various psychedelics were used to alter the initiate's perception of reality. True, most of the Athenian elites were initiated. Even Socrates... didn't fuck his brain up too much, eh?
But there is evidence however that Jesus was taught by Essenes (a Jewish mystical movement) and there is much similarity between the Essenes and the teachings of Jesus. John the Baptist may well have also been an Essene.
It was Albert Hofman who synthesised LSD and psilocybin. And he conducted extremely important research which included many experienced spiritual masters, including a Tibetan lama who said that one dose of LSD took him to a place that had taken him 20 years of spiritual practice to even approach.
The fact that these substances were seized upon by dark forces within the US and elsewhere for mass manipulation is of course entirely true and truly horrific. But this does not mean that given their correct use there isn't deep learning to be gained from psychedelic substances. I agree that the strong move towards using these substances supposedly for psychological traumas and dysfunction certainly smacks of Huxley-esque soma.. There is much to fear about their use by the medical establishment who have shown themselves entirely untrustworthy over the last few years (to say the very least...). That they could abuse them is not just possible, it seems a nailed down certainty.
Of course you personally are dedicated to struggle against what you perceive as a web of deceit woven by the elites over millenia. I applaud this and agree with you on much of what you say. And yes, your personal path has been to develop your intellectual insight in order to understand the 'enemy' and how to fight. Altered consciousness has little to offer you for this aspect of your mission. But there are other insights and other ways by which to struggle against these forces so determined to establish their neo-feudal tyranny. The fight needs to be carried on at all levels - for they themselves are fighting at all levels. Prizing open the doors of perception is not for everybody. But our brains only process 0.004% of the data our senses receive.......I am nothing like as certain as you seem to be that all we call 'reality' is all that there is....
Matthew, thank you for how you addressed the question of whether Jesus was an initiate of the Elusian drug cult. I agree that this idea comes from a place of evil and it attempts to undermine the teachings of the most sincere, honorable, righteous, and loving human who has ever lived. I also agree with your take on psychedelics--I believe they lend the illusion of heightened creativity and/or insight, but if you evaluate the works undertaken while under the influence objectively (when sober), they rarely live up to the perception. There are no shortcuts to enlightenment--it comes from hard work, commitment, experience, and often from struggle and pain. Chemically induced euphoria does not indicate true enlightenment or spiritual growth; to the contrary, it is my belief that any mind-altering substance actually impairs our communion with the very source of divine inspiration.
Yes Maria. Psychedelics are part of a distraction or organized deception of evil. My education in organic medicine and plant medicine continues through LSD types into opioids and fentanyl. I’m retired but very concerned after decades treating patients. Euphoria leads to oblivion not enlightenment.
Nirvana IS Extinction. (Vedic teaching.) What it is the extinction OF is a somewhat longer discussion. From Jung onwards the West has rejected the flight from the ego favoured by Eastern traditions towards the idea of Individuation. Your pronouncement about psychedelics is rather limited and finite frankly...Just about ALL human activity could be described as a distraction at some level or another. viz Eliot's 'Distraction from distraction by distraction'.
NO! Our Blessed Lord is not to be mistreated. I defend our Lord at all costs. What a load of wubbish! How dare anyone write such defamatory stuff about Almighty God? Go away and get on with praying to Almighty God. I will pray for your eternal soul.
Yes. There it appears that the Eucharist was a copy of the Eleusis vision tradition.
Cor 11:30, “Many of you have gotten drunk on the lords supper and ‘fallen dead’. “
This was not the eucharist we think of in todays church which defiantly does not promote psychedelics. There are some who seek God thru visions though, which can be very powerful spiritual movers and change lives.
The Eleusinian Mysteries (which divided the sexes by the way and followed different paths in the rituals) specifically explored the nature of perceived reality and from the little we know of them (they were secret after all - on pain of death) were designed to bring initiates to the point of no longer fearing death. As far was we can tell, there was a 'hero's journey to the Underworld and back...' One can choose to label this satanic if you like. Lovely old Joseph Campbell would have laughed at such simplistic notions..Rites of passage such as these are severely lacking in modern Western culture and this has had a terrible effect on the development of youth...
It is my belief (prejudice perhaps) that such rituals have been deliberately reserved by the elites for the elites alone and replaced within the hoi polloi with meaningless soul-destroying distractions within which addicted drugs play a big role, as do addictive technologies, manipulative 'entertainments' etc etc...
This makes the most sense. I have talked with close relatives who passed on, serious conversations in vivid dreams.
If we exist on as spirits when we die it is only logic that these spirits exist within us when we are alive.
So are our material bodies just mechanical avatars for our spirit? A Waldo of sorts for our spirit to manipulate spacetime?
Certainly when we die we leave a lot behind but an essential part of us goes on.
It was C.G. Jung that took a position against Freud and asserted we are much more than the meat between ours, not everything we thing comes from inside our skulls.
That Christ traveled into the Indian subcontinent is strongly contested by many leading and credible authorities. That he spent time with the Essenes is much more likely.
Kashmiri Shaïvism is certainly thought to have spread West through the caravanserais as you say...
And no, Yeshua was a jew, not a worshiper of Dionysus.
As for “was his eucharist based on the psychedelic rights of non jewish temples”?
Read “The Apples of Apollo”, Ruck et. al.
Do your own research. The orthodoxy was designed to suppress this and still does. In some ways this is a diversion in other ways it exposes the lies the left is telling non stop.
I recommend staying sober and keeping your wits, the world is very weird and dangerous enough without psychedelics. Also keep away from Pharma drugs, adrenal, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics ... if you can. These all dull your mind.
The answer to the question if “Should I take the red pill or blue pill” should be “How about I take no pill, eat a steak, stop eating fake foods and oils, lift some weight, and get my head on straight.” Pills and shrooms can not fix a unhealthy diet.
Eat steak or lamb. Have nuts,seeds, fruits, olive oil , barley,spelt and other grains. No psychedelics required. Big Pharma is now dangerous as are the fringe bloggers of aberrant media-medicine.
The proponents of Jesus and Yahweh having a healthcare message is true. Loma Linda University located in Loma Linda , California is a leading center. The 7th Day Adventist Church follows this message worldwide.
Avoid fringe thinking. Parts of the NKJB are into health like Leviticus 13. Read Daniel and Revelations. These 2 chapters dramatize where timeline is for humanity. No psychedelics are required to receive this wake up message.
Hello Jillian,
Regarding your advice to avoid alcohol and keep a good diet, to keep our minds healthy, which I completely agree with; would you see psychedelic mushrooms in the same category as something like alcohol, and out of interest, can I ask if you have ever had an experience with psychedelic mushrooms? (I ask politely, with cognizance of your privacy, if you do not wish to divulge that information)
No. I have eaten lions mane mushrooms, with no noticeable effects. I am afraid to try random other mushrooms. The only trance like effects I have seen are some “entoptic phenomena” when falling asleep, in the dark. These range from normally just blue slowly pulsing light shows, to an occasional vivid brilliant yellow angular pattern display that goes away when I open my eyes to the dark room, and pops back on when I close my eyes again. This seems to happen more reliably in a 5+ day fast.
The bottom line is I do not need to eat mushrooms, and can be perfectly sober to see these “dreams”.
I have always seen these patterns when falling asleep I remember them when I was 5 years old. Pharmaceuticals, aspirin, alcohol, etc all eliminate the effect. Heavy meals, too many carbs, also eliminate them.
Thanks for the reply Jillian.
I've seen many people comment about psychedelic mushrooms, without having any experience with them first hand.
It is a life changing experience, the benefits of which could not be explained by words.
They grow naturally, within the cycle of nature, and I would say, grow for a purpose. It isn't a poison.
I can always tell too, when people are fixated on visions, because of the stories they've heard about these effects from the mushroom.
What you see, you see in your mind, and I would consider it a medicine.
As an analogy - if there is a roller-coaster, and you are walking outside the roller-coaster, around the edges, you can say to people ''don't get on the roller-coaster'' - you can't tell them what the roller-coaster is like, or the real benefits, or even the real consequences of getting on the roller-coaster. You can guess and speculate. If they ask ''why shouldn't we get on the roller-coaster?'', you would really be advising against something you haven't got any knowledge of.
They may not be for everyone, as not everyone would need them. They can be incredibly useful for certain people though, to help unwind the knots and repetitive patterns in the mind, and to come to terms with certain events, and trauma.
I wouldn't write them off, especially without that first hand experience.
Amanita Muscara (Fly Agaric) however is somewhat different! And pretty upsetting to the digestive system unless properly prepared and ingested with mollifying substances.... In Lapland reindeer eat them and are (used to be) followed by the Sámi who would collect the urine and drink that! Santa Klaus and flying reindeer is considered to be a metaphor for this - hence the red and white clothes SK is portrayed with.. (fly agaric is the classic red with white spots mushroom used in Alice in Wonderland and other stories. Very common. Especially on the borders between pine woods and stands of beech, birch and oak.
I do not write them off. These triptomine based drugs are illegal and not available. The powers are unlikely to ever change this law.
And recently, this week, the Gov of Cali vetoed the bill to legalize psychedelics.
Eating shrooms to talk to “god” is still a felony in Cali. 🍄
it's Eleusinian, btw, not Eleusian..And no. Jesus wasn't initiated into a Greek cult. From what we know of the Eleusinian Mysteries, there is very little evidence that it was especially 'satanic' as you have suggested. But yes, various psychedelics were used to alter the initiate's perception of reality. True, most of the Athenian elites were initiated. Even Socrates... didn't fuck his brain up too much, eh?
But there is evidence however that Jesus was taught by Essenes (a Jewish mystical movement) and there is much similarity between the Essenes and the teachings of Jesus. John the Baptist may well have also been an Essene.
It was Albert Hofman who synthesised LSD and psilocybin. And he conducted extremely important research which included many experienced spiritual masters, including a Tibetan lama who said that one dose of LSD took him to a place that had taken him 20 years of spiritual practice to even approach.
The fact that these substances were seized upon by dark forces within the US and elsewhere for mass manipulation is of course entirely true and truly horrific. But this does not mean that given their correct use there isn't deep learning to be gained from psychedelic substances. I agree that the strong move towards using these substances supposedly for psychological traumas and dysfunction certainly smacks of Huxley-esque soma.. There is much to fear about their use by the medical establishment who have shown themselves entirely untrustworthy over the last few years (to say the very least...). That they could abuse them is not just possible, it seems a nailed down certainty.
Of course you personally are dedicated to struggle against what you perceive as a web of deceit woven by the elites over millenia. I applaud this and agree with you on much of what you say. And yes, your personal path has been to develop your intellectual insight in order to understand the 'enemy' and how to fight. Altered consciousness has little to offer you for this aspect of your mission. But there are other insights and other ways by which to struggle against these forces so determined to establish their neo-feudal tyranny. The fight needs to be carried on at all levels - for they themselves are fighting at all levels. Prizing open the doors of perception is not for everybody. But our brains only process 0.004% of the data our senses receive.......I am nothing like as certain as you seem to be that all we call 'reality' is all that there is....
Matthew, thank you for how you addressed the question of whether Jesus was an initiate of the Elusian drug cult. I agree that this idea comes from a place of evil and it attempts to undermine the teachings of the most sincere, honorable, righteous, and loving human who has ever lived. I also agree with your take on psychedelics--I believe they lend the illusion of heightened creativity and/or insight, but if you evaluate the works undertaken while under the influence objectively (when sober), they rarely live up to the perception. There are no shortcuts to enlightenment--it comes from hard work, commitment, experience, and often from struggle and pain. Chemically induced euphoria does not indicate true enlightenment or spiritual growth; to the contrary, it is my belief that any mind-altering substance actually impairs our communion with the very source of divine inspiration.
Yes Maria. Psychedelics are part of a distraction or organized deception of evil. My education in organic medicine and plant medicine continues through LSD types into opioids and fentanyl. I’m retired but very concerned after decades treating patients. Euphoria leads to oblivion not enlightenment.
Nirvana IS Extinction. (Vedic teaching.) What it is the extinction OF is a somewhat longer discussion. From Jung onwards the West has rejected the flight from the ego favoured by Eastern traditions towards the idea of Individuation. Your pronouncement about psychedelics is rather limited and finite frankly...Just about ALL human activity could be described as a distraction at some level or another. viz Eliot's 'Distraction from distraction by distraction'.
NO! Our Blessed Lord is not to be mistreated. I defend our Lord at all costs. What a load of wubbish! How dare anyone write such defamatory stuff about Almighty God? Go away and get on with praying to Almighty God. I will pray for your eternal soul.
On science retardation
I have a new take on lung and blood physiology that dismisses the gaseous exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide.
My article is titled
We breathe air not oxygen
Air is measured by its humidity
Oxygen is measured by its dryness for example medical oxygen has 67ppm of water contamination
Oxygen toxicity is directly related to its dryness and ability to dehydrate.
Lungs at the alveoli requires the air to reach 100% humidity. Can you see the mismatch?
The RBCs are carrying salt water, they are salt water sponges.
The red light monitoring is checking hydration
Dark RBCs are dehydrated
Light RBCs are hydrated
The lungs rehydrate the RBCs
Just as the ubiquitous saline drip rehydrates RBCs.
I hope you take the time to read my article and ponder.
Medicine and science have been retarded intentionally with schooled fraudulent facts.
Scrutiny is the way back to truth.
https://open.substack.com/pub/jane333/p/we-breath-air-not-oxygen?r=ykfsh&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Yes. There it appears that the Eucharist was a copy of the Eleusis vision tradition.
Cor 11:30, “Many of you have gotten drunk on the lords supper and ‘fallen dead’. “
This was not the eucharist we think of in todays church which defiantly does not promote psychedelics. There are some who seek God thru visions though, which can be very powerful spiritual movers and change lives.
For example “Cathedral” by Crosby Stills & Nash
https://youtu.be/wI7phwtRjUA
The Eucharist is the Jewish Sabbath and the Passover feast... Nothing especially Eleusinian.
I don't believe Jesus did drugs to further his enlightenment...
On Jesus and the Essenes, Rudolf Steiner gave lectures called the 5th Gospel. Enlightening to whomever is considering Steiner worthwhile reading.
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA148/English/SCR2006/FiGFTS_index.html
Hey Matt, Not sure if you've ever come across the guy by the name: Harald Kautz? I recently came across a podcast here https://rumble.com/v36v2nv-harald-kautz-two-worlds.html
If you are familiar with his persona, I, for some reason believe that you may do; I'd appreciate your thought about him.
Life is a distraction from distractions, of course. Cycles within cycles? Search for a explanation without Alprazolam?
The Eleusinian Mysteries (which divided the sexes by the way and followed different paths in the rituals) specifically explored the nature of perceived reality and from the little we know of them (they were secret after all - on pain of death) were designed to bring initiates to the point of no longer fearing death. As far was we can tell, there was a 'hero's journey to the Underworld and back...' One can choose to label this satanic if you like. Lovely old Joseph Campbell would have laughed at such simplistic notions..Rites of passage such as these are severely lacking in modern Western culture and this has had a terrible effect on the development of youth...
It is my belief (prejudice perhaps) that such rituals have been deliberately reserved by the elites for the elites alone and replaced within the hoi polloi with meaningless soul-destroying distractions within which addicted drugs play a big role, as do addictive technologies, manipulative 'entertainments' etc etc...
This makes the most sense. I have talked with close relatives who passed on, serious conversations in vivid dreams.
If we exist on as spirits when we die it is only logic that these spirits exist within us when we are alive.
So are our material bodies just mechanical avatars for our spirit? A Waldo of sorts for our spirit to manipulate spacetime?
Certainly when we die we leave a lot behind but an essential part of us goes on.
It was C.G. Jung that took a position against Freud and asserted we are much more than the meat between ours, not everything we thing comes from inside our skulls.
That Christ traveled into the Indian subcontinent is strongly contested by many leading and credible authorities. That he spent time with the Essenes is much more likely.
Kashmiri Shaïvism is certainly thought to have spread West through the caravanserais as you say...