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Thank you, Matt you and your wife work so hard and this mess is hard!

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Back in late spring 2021 Robert Malone was one of the few seemingly rational voices who confirmed the misgivings many of us had about the vast, ghastly medical experiment then underway (I believe I first encountered him on the Dark Horse podcast), and I remain grateful for his efforts. He seems like a decent, honorable man. But the more recent Robert Malone that you guys discuss in this... WTF?? For me the most bizarre aspect of his lawsuit against the Bregins is that Peter and Ginger are also (!) wholly unrepentant China hawks. I stopped reading their stuff because of the completely over-the-top Sinophobia. Over the relatively minor topic of Desmet's mass formation theories Malone and the Bregins may be at odds, but with respect to the far weightier China demonization project they seem wholly on the same page. So why is Malone going after them? Like I say, utterly bizarre.

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I actually didn't realize that the Breggins had drank the China=devil psyop stuff. Unfortunate. But they are still provably honest authentic patriots whose track record speaks for itself. Lots of good folks have super shitty ideas of foreign policy and analysis

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Peter Breggin was looked after for his first 5 years by an African carer. When she left he wouldn't eat and she had to be brought back. He did a medical degree so he could fight the oppressive treatment of mental patients. Perhaps it would be the tale of CCP coming from Anthony Sutton: world banker influence and suppression of people he warns of.

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I hear ya. We definitely don't want engage in any cancel-culture antics. This particular stance, unfortunate as it may be, does in no way negate other good work. Fervent anti-communism is (still) so common in the West, and although it is not strictly speaking a generational thing, I associate it particular with the WWII and Boomer generations, who were heavily indoctrinated to fear and loathe this supposed "external enemy" they actually knew next to nothing about. When I hear this kinda stuff, I want to say: c'mon, this isn't 1950! Times have changed, let's move on. However, if Team R returns to the White House in 2024, which seems likely, I have no doubt it will only continue...

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You may not be familiar with the term, "straw man." I take it to mean as when you try to discredit someone by shooting down what you claim they are saying.

Here you claim Peter and Ginger to be Sinophobes and shoot them down for that.

But look at their actual claim it is nothing to do with Sinophobia; "Every global predator we could identify is financially wedded to and filled with admiration for, not the United States or other Western democracies, but for Communist China and totalitarianism. This ultimate realization from our research was totally dismaying."

Breggin, Peter Roger; Breggin, Ginger. COVID-19 and the Global Predators (p. 21). Lake Edge Press. Kindle Edition.

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Sinophobia? I don't think so. Being critical of the CCP is not about the Chinese people but about the communist domination of the Chinese people. In no way are Chinese people demonized.

Good ideas don't need to be forced on people using totalitarian tactics and horrid Cultural Revolutions and all manner of subterfuge. When repressive strategies and tactics must be used to realize a communist system, I just think how much we must guard against that occurring here -- and I hope more people will listen to the Breggins when they point out the dangers this subterfuge presents.

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Good point. I’m more than a bit ticked about how my own country, America, decided to mandate jabs and masks. Extremely totalitarian actions from president to governors to corporate leaders. Wtaf.

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I'm trying to encourage Peter Breggin to take more of a 3 dimensional look at China. See his Facebook page Peter R Breggin MD. I have commented there with Matt's article. And with a 2014 article from Corbettreport "China and the New World Order." I thought I had put that here but can't see it. Though it is on Breggin's page. Maybe https links sometimes cause trouble.

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I am fairly convinced that he is not on the up and up - part of the messaging stage show.

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I think Malone is a committed libertarian, though still deceived about China. Skepticism is certainly warranted, and I was appalled in early November after he put Lopez's propaganda on his substack.

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Agree.

Smooth talker extraordinaire !

Thank you for this

By the way, on a side note, Bob and Jill are both dedicated vegetarians and would probably not mind eating crickets !

Sorry to lower the level of conversation here Matt. Sometimes a little levity goes a long way haha

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I don't think eating crickets is vegetarian!

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Might actually count as cannibalism in this case, I'm not sure

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You are entirely correct ....very silly comment on my part !

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Sure feels like a psyops.

I can't help feeling gaslit when Malone insinuates (if not worse) that activists like Dr. Peter Breggin and Dr. Jane Ruby are somehow the bad players in our midst! A person's actions and deeds speak so loudly and Malone has revealed himself with these anti-free speech lawsuits. I would urge anyone curious as to why Malone is revealing his thin skin, authoritarian nature and propensity to enforce censorship and cruelty and bullying to read Dr. Breggin's critique of Malone's marketing of Mass Formation Psychosis claptrap. Please note that of the three -- Malone, Desmet and Breggin -- Breggin is the only one who is a psychiatrist. Breggin's specialty gives him the responsibility to make a critique on the topic!

Thanks for covering this issue, because it is of no small importance since Robert Malone has SOMEHOW claimed or assumed or intimidated his way to take top leadership and guidance of the entire pushback on the pandemic machinery.

Do we even need a leader? I don't think so. It was quite fine when each member of the opposition came forward in regard to his own expertise and skills. We really don't need a top dog, as Malone is posturing himself to be in photos, programs and interviews. What a display of egotistical behavior or, worse, the machinations of a player in a controlled opposition psyop. I hope more revelations, like those George Webb is reporting, can give us a CLEAR view of Malone's business dealings and loyalties and profit centers, because the public ought to know who Malone is if he's assuming he speaks for us or negotiates issues for us.

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At best, Malone has wandered way out of his lane. Given the nature of his past associations, to consider "Who is Robert Malone" is quite appropriate.

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I'm looking forward to listening to this! I did two episodes on Who Is Robert Malone, Really? and Conspiracy Researchers and Robert Malone, which also has an interview I did on the subject with journalist Fintan Dunne. Since then, Robert has revoked my paid subscription so that I can't post comments, under his 'asshole rule' of three strikes and he cuts you. Since then, it's been easier to look at the facts of his involvement with the DoD/ NIH and Deep State, all of which he brags about, without being confused by what he says, most of which I agree with. Here are the links:

https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/who-is-robert-malone-really

https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/conspiracy-researchers-and-robert

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And the Breggins list my episodes at #1 & #3 on their page of "Who Is Dr. Robert Malone?" Other Voices Weigh In, along with 17 other articles by Catherine Austin Fitts, Patrick Hahn, Diana West, Jon Rappaport, Sage Hana, Jerm Warfare (a friend of yours!), 2nd Smartest Guy in the World and others: https://breggin.com/Dr-Malone-Others-Weigh-In

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Great work Tereza. And also thanks for that link to Breggins' website. A very useful resource!

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Thank you, Matt. And here's another very angry article about Malone being a fraud that just came out from Dr. Paul Alexander: https://palexander.substack.com/p/cicero-and-dr-robert-malone-what. His title says that while Cicero talked about the enemy within, Malone IS the enemy within. I linked to your post, along with mine, in my comments on it. Even though these are obviously independent events, I feel like I threw a snowball that started an avalanche ;-)

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same here (intuition can be a weight though!). then later found this gem of an article, not newest, but with solid background on his DARPA/BARDA ánd Wuhan involvement: spooks will be spooks - https://deathship.wordpress.com/2021/08/20/darpas-man-in-wuhan/

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What a dopamine rush, Teresa, to get all your likes of my articles and comments ;-) Thank you! Yes, my focus was taking Malone's own words and using them to analyze his actions. You were way ahead of me for intuition. I loved his connection to farming (before I realized that it was champion horses) and his cartoons and breadth of research. I wonder now if others, behind the scenes, contribute to those articles.

Matt is a big fan of Plato, and I think that's the approach of logic I apply to everything. And your use of 'limited hangout' is very apt! I didn't understand the term until CJ Hopkins defined it, but Malone is revealing things that would come out anyway, while distracting attention from that being an action by the 'Deep Empire,' if we go beyond Deep States. And he (and Matt, despite my efforts to dissuade him ;-) believe that Trump will fix things. So the problem stays within bipartisan bounds.

I do also question, though, who is the ultimate oligarch at the top of the pyramid. I haven't completely ruled out China's oligarchs. I refer to Matt's research on past oligarchs to try to get more perspective on the question in this episode: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-reset-and-ukraine-same-or-different

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Malone "the truth is like a lion: Let it loose; and then sue it for $25 million...."

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Thank you for this discussion. It is very helpful.

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Matt, thank you for focusing on the area where Malone is misled, with logic and facts rather than making an ad hominem attack on him. I too read Lopez's article, "Long history of China's CCP and Biowarfare," on Robert's substack Oct. 31, 2022, and was appalled by its one-sided omissions, leaving out the long history of US involvement in chemical/biological warfare.

Malone, Bannon, Breggin and others are examples of how sincere opponents of the Davos vision of one world government can (wittingly or unwittingly) support the limited hangout that Covid-19 is a Chinese plot and "China, China, China" as opposed to the Davos fixation on Russia. Both are precursors to conflict with the targeted country and should be viewed with skepticism. Among other problems, they take the focus off the corruption of the Empire. I'm not really interested in replacing the leadership of the Empire (currently dominated globalists supported expediently by China) with a leadership dominated by the imperialist faction within MAGA. I want to see the Empire splintered in a thousand pieces and scattered it to the winds.

It's true that China has an authoritarian, tending toward totalitarian, government. But that's not for Westerners to judge. Our own totalitarian tendencies are amply demonstrated both historically and unfortunately, currently. Best we wage our struggle internally rather than diverting from it to Russia, China, Iran or even North Korea. Also, focusing on China's authoritarianism misses other key aspects of Chinese culture such as Confucianism, a strong belief among the elite in a "Mandate of Heaven" that can be withdrawn when abused and a resulting historical tendency toward non-intervention. Locke and the Enlightenment values of unalienable, universal rights must be demonstrated through example (not forced on other cultures) after we defeat Hobbes' idea of a Leviathan unencumbered by any sort of heavenly mandate. We must also resist the Western tendency toward Manicheaism, as you do by focusing on Malone's error rather than his character.

I think Robert is sincerely committed to medical freedom as well as to the Bill of Rights, which is the core of the problem. Unfortunately, I don't think he's fully aware of the corruption of the US system of government. He's focused mainly on HHS and perhaps not fully aware of the corruption of the military/foreign policy branches. We must get money out of politics and rein in the power of corporations in both government and media.

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The above comment was based on the first half of the video. In the second half you do a superb takedown of Lopez. Though you mention her involvement with the CIA, an association often used to cast doubt on principled people who have an historical relationship with the CIA like Larry Johnson or VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity), you take down her arguments and omissions in detail. It's valid to be suspicious of former associations and positions, but vital to show how those are consistent with current behavior. This is a superb video. Thank you again.

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spooks will be spooks and Malone's up there with them - https://deathship.wordpress.com/2021/08/20/darpas-man-in-wuhan/

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The article is mainly about Callahan. The only mention of Malone is the dispute over Pepcid. No indication that Malone was ever affiliated with the CIA other than that he knew Callahan before Covid-19 was a "thing." Yeah, Malone was involved with the government. So were Ray McGovern, William Binney and Larry Johnson. For that matter so was Chelsea Manning. So? I'm skeptical of Malone for other reasons. That doesn't mean he doesn't have worthwhile things to say or that he's part of some covert disinformation program.

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I also found the reply I sent to someone who said Malone wasn't telling us what to think:

Tereza Coraggio

Writes Third Paradigm

Oct 31, 2022

Hi, David. I absolutely don't think that Dr Malone is telling his readers what to think here. But I'm not so sure about Clare Lopez and her LLC. Most journalists don't have LLCs but thinktanks, designed to tell people what to think, do.

It starts with her title of China's Drive for Global Hegemony. That runs contradictory to what China has done in the past but is absolutely what the US has done. The war in Ukraine is 100% over US global hegemony through NATO and the petrodollar. The US has 800+ military bases in other countries. That's global hegemony.

I don't know what I think about China, frankly. They've been an early adopter of WEF policies of depopulation and lockdowns. They hold enough US Treasury bonds to buy up all the farmland and real estate out from under us. Biden just gave them our strategic oil reserves. His and Hunter's nefarious dealings with them make me wonder how else we're beholden to them. But the long history of US Biowarfare is my first concern, as a US citizen. And this plays too nicely into distracting us from that, for my taste.

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I wanted to see if Malone deleted all my comments when he unsubbed me, but he didn't! So I found what I posted on this guest post by Claire Lopez:

Tereza Coraggio

Writes Third Paradigm

Oct 31, 2022

I'm sorry, Dr. Malone, but this reads like US propaganda to me by the standards that you've established elsewhere and the rhetorical devices you've outlined. It makes general claims of motives and cites a history as it's been taught in the US. It also comes at a time when the US is doing blatantly antagonistic things, like Pelosi & Taiwan, to ramp up public outrage and support for a war against China.

There are credible hypotheses, with evidence, that the 'Wuhan' strain was spread from Fort Dedrick (in your and my neck of the woods) through infected soldiers in 'war games' simultaneous to the outbreak. And didn't a study just come out showing it originated in Chapel Hill, NC?

I don't know much about China but thanks to you and others, I know a lot more now about the US use of bioterrorism. Matt Ehret just posted a conversation on What Makes China Tick? He and Cynthia Chung have an interesting perspective, along with Jeff J. Brown. Caitlin Johnstone just published "A New Study Finds the Rest of the World Supports China and Russia." I haven't listened/ read either yet but they offer a different perspective.

https://matthewehret.substack.com/p/what-makes-china-tick-a-convo-couch

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/new-study-finds-the-rest-of-the-world

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But Matt why are you pushing Pro-China info? Why not Pro and Con China? You seem polarized.

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He's had two jabs, is considering public office reportedly and the U.S. McCarthyite hangover is fertile ground... Do you know of the Kenny Everett (Sir) character by the name of General Cheeseburger? Goddamn commies, round 'em up, put 'em in a pen and bomb the b@$4ards... where funds originated for the Bolsheviks being anyone's guess. Following U.S. commentary means listening to a lot of it and defending the German-born, Highgate dwelling commentator and socio-economist who based his treatise on turn of the century industrial Britain.

Anyway, I am thankful to Dr Malone for getting a message out early on, thepressandthepublic and Joe Rogan.. Dr McCulloch and the other brave people who said,

wait, what?

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It is true that we have this idea that original sin makes us sinners and incapable of transfiguration. I agree with Matt, that we have the ability to transcend our sinful nature and become and create a new world through Christ.

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Thank you for the video. I thought it was very good.

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