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Kissinger In The Afterlife. Longer and more refined piece I wrote about it on Substack:

https://open.substack.com/pub/scottthurman/p/where-did-henry-kissinger-go?r=1xfmae&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

From an email that I wrote to a group of friends:

Matt Ehret jokes in the beginning of this podcast: "I'm sure Kissinger is smelling spiritual sulfur" right now for his sins and the way he conducted his life.

But, I don't believe so. Now this gets into the real meat of this email: What's the Afterlife? I don't believe in Eternal Hell. I don't believe that even Hitler and Kissinger deserve an "eternal torment," as bad of motherfuckers as they are. Many of us want revenge on our enemies, and we want people to burn in Hell (Well, I don't.) Even 30 million or 50 million or 100 million dead bodies have their run-out of punishment, their time when you get done paying for your murder of them. Should you have to spend 50 million years in Hell for each body that you killed? But...in the established Western religious traditions, you don't spend 50 million years in Hell for killing 50 million people. No. You spend an ETERNITY. That's not Google Years, that's not 10 to the 1000 years. That's Infinity years. How can you comprehend Infinity. And...of course, you also spend an eternity in Hell for, simply, masturbating. Just like Hitler, even if you were the nicest person on earth. Even if you are Mother Theresa, but masturbate once in your life, you spend an Eternity in torment...Because you were not covered by the Blood of Jesus, you see. All sin is treated equally in the Bible, and sin is sin and will get you to Hell nonetheless the same...Because it's not about what you do or don't do (not by works)...it's about being a member of the VIP Club.

So you could kill 100 million people like Hitler might have wanted to do but just because you accepted Christ right at the end, you get to go to Heaven. While a nice guy who never singed a hair on anybody's head but masturbated or cussed or drank or fucked a man gets to go to Hell, if he doesn't "accept Christ." Which is not as easy as it sounds, because "Disciple = Christian = Saved" and you have to go through the studies, count the cost, repent, give up everything, and be baptized, and bear fruit (that is, have the Holy Spirit help you succeed in bringing other disciples to Church. Cause if you don't, "the tree that does not bear fruit will be cut off of the vine." So it does not depend on your works, but by others' decisions to buy your sale and close the deal and accept your terms of joining your church. If you do not close the deal, make the sale, you don't get into Heaven. Your heart grows hard and you eventually end up leaving the Church. And as my former pastor once said loudly in the auditorium: "If you fall away, you go to Hell! That's all there's too it." in that ra ra sporty kind of pep rally way.

Nah...I don't believe in that. So, no, I don't want Henry Kissinger to go to Hell. I wouldn't wish that on even my worst enemy.

But then what about Reincarnation? I lean towards belief in that, and there's some strong anecdotal evidence pointing in that direction (past life memories by kids and knowledge of certain facts and languages that young kids would not have access to). But...Will Henry Kissinger have to pay Karma in a past life for what he did? Will Hitler have to pay Karma for what he did? Spending thousands of lifetimes of suffering, thousands of deaths in childbirth, birth abnormalities, birth defects, living a life of Incel, suffering enslavement and torture and oppression?

That then begs the question: "Are oppressed people, like Jews in concentration camps in Germany, Blacks on plantations in America, Iraqis starving after their water infrastructure was destroyed, Africans dying of preventable diseases such as cholera and water borne parasites, and malaria as a result of poverty and lack of infrastructure...Are they all former Hitlers and Stalins and Genghis Khans and Pol Pots? Or former wife beaters, rapists, abusers? Are they all paying Karma for past sins? Do they, in fact, deserve their fate? You see, such a view of reincarnation engenders an attitude that can easily lend itself to accepting oppression of others and being silent about it.

How about Reincarnation Without Karma? How about, no matter what you did or did not do...You just come into another body and it is a total reset, total starting over, regardless, without consequences, without Karma?

I think this latest is the fairest and best system. I know it sounds counterintuitive because we as Humans want to see the wrongdoers suffer for their crimes. But think about it a little harder and deeper for a minute...

What does this last scenario engender? It engenders an attitude of: The Universe is not going to bring Justice; Justice is on US to make. It's on us to make it a better world.

The fact of the matter is EVERYBODY is paying for the Karma of Adolf Hitler, not just Hitler. For Hitler set into motion a train of circumstances and causality that led to the present world. Would there be an Israeli-Palestinian conflict without Hitler? The Law of Cause and Effect and Karma rather sets up the stage, sets up the platform, onto which the actors step. The stage and the platform is the Past. We are suffering the Karma, collectively, of Woodrow Wilson's Treaty of Versailles and League of Nations, for there wouldn't have been a World War II nor a Vietnam War nor the present Middle Eastern conflicts without that.

Karma doesn't just affect an individual; it affects the whole world. So, this last question engenders the kind of attitude of: "What kind of world do you want to inherit in future lifetimes?" If the world tomorrow is an oligarchy where 99% of the people are slaves and serfs, and only 1% are masters, then there is a 99 out of 100 chance that in your next lifetime you will be a slave/serf. Doesn't matter how good of a person you are.

So we better get it right, think about what kind of world that we want to reincarnate into, and work for that.

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great food for thought.

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Well...as Padre Pio said, "You may not believe in Hell, but you will when you get there."

Your catechesis is about as bad as mine was after 40 or so years of agnosticism (I really didn't give a rat's ass if God existed or not.) The scamdemic changed all that for me. I saw the work of Satan. Ergo, if Satan exists,. God must exist. Then I started reading, not only the Bible, but everything from the Didache to the Council of Trent Catechism, to, even, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (I prefer Trent).

Yeah, I still struggle with "Pray for your Enemies." But as C.S. Lewis said, "Don't start with the Gestapo, start with something simpler." (It works.) I'm working on getting up to the Henry Kissinger level. Hopefully, God will give me enough time. A soul is a terrible thing to waste.

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One day, the soul that was once Henry Kissinger will be born in a new body, could be a Chinese worker, could be a Ethiopian student studying biomed in Addis Ababa...who knows...And he/she will read history, about this really evil man that once existed. He/she will be reading and will think: Wow. Henry Kissinger...Who was that? He was a real scumbag!"

I know somebody like that today; just a normal guy, a truthteller in this movement, actually, who has been at it for years, exposing the fraud and corruption. Particularly exposing the Hunt's Brothers. Among others. This guy is just an average guy. His life has not been all that bad, but he's had his share of suffering too. He's had some good times and some bad times. He's been in bands, gone to concerts, and is now an amateur filmmaker exposing Beatles conspiracies. Well, one day, on air, he announced over the radio: "Oh my God! I think I was H.L Hunt!" H.L Hunt was an evil motherfucker. Close to Kissinger level. High level secrecy, think tank, mover and shaker level, and oil man. Conspirer. And now this radio host, conspiracy theorist, is shocked and ashamed and weirded out to come to the realization that he might have been H.L Hunt in a former lifetime. The man he's been exposing! Imagine that!

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Where to even begin…it’s a cross we must all bear. I’ll pray for your soul.

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Thanks for reading my comment! I know it was long.

Oh I DO certainly believe in God and that the Universe was designed by a Loving Creator, and I would even say I subscribe to many Christian principles and ideas. I also believe that Jesus DID come to usher in a new kingdom of righteousness and to free us from empire. But I disagree with the standard views of time in what is called the popular American evangelical christian mindset. For example I disagree with the Rapture and End Times as being "unavoidable" and "inevitable", I disagree with Predestination, or God's Election, and with this idea that there's nothing you can do to be saved and it's all God's Election, which leads to the belief that there are those born to be saved and those born to be damned. I also disagree with the One-Lifeism that is prevalent in the West today that goes hand in hand with the Western view of Time as linear. But, as far as the New Jerusalem and the New Earth being promised, I do think there is something to that, in that its something we can work towards. And I do believe that certain people alive today WILL reincarnate in an era to be a part of that New Jerusalem. Stay tuned, I will be writing about this soon, with lots of predictions for the future as I see it in my substack.

By the way, Jesus' Great Commission of Making Disciples of All Nations FITS with my view of Reincarnation being a life reset without Karma leading to the drive to create a better world. Because, in Jesus' time, the world was an awful place ruled by Pagan overlords who ruled capriciously, like Nero, and who loved torturing people for pleasure and having sex slaves at their beck and call. Jesus' teachings certainly DID lead to a better world, as the modern West with its Democratic and Egalitarian principles of just governance WAS the result of many people back in the First Century making lots of disciples everywhere!

It's just that...right now, there is an impasse, and a stumbling block, in Christianity as it has been worked and reworked in the present day. It is leading many people to believe that an Armaggeddon war of Gog and Magog is inevitable, and leading many people to either accept such or even manipulate reality so as to cause it to happen (case in point: just look at Modern Israel vs Palestine and the Temple Mount issue).

A new revision of what Christ's teachings meant is needed, and perhaps even a Third Testament, to prepare us for what's to come when and if we leave Earth and start to meet other intelligent species out there. Now, I'm not talking about a Joe Rogan Alien UFO cult the way that Matt has been describing!

I'm still affirming Jesus as being real and still being about an absolute Right and Wrong. What I'm talking about is a new view of what the New Jerusalem is going to be (spoiler alert: it's about establishing space colonies on other worlds with energy abundance and real estate for all, so that we don't have to fight each other over scarcity anymore, and also accepting as equals any aliens we might meet out there and not genociding them like we did to the Indians in America, and using Jesus' teachings of Love for Your Neighbor as our guide when we DO go out there and set up our new societies. Not repeating the genocidal mistakes that America did.)

In a way, some of the Science Fiction books might be precursors to this Third Testament. If you want a good example, look at C.S. Lewis, who dealt with the Extraterrestrial Life issue within a Christian context to set up a Platonic parable about Pro-Life, Pro Humanity vs Anti Life/Anti Humanity. It turns out that those who are most Pro Human will also be those that are the most Pro Alien when it comes to Human-E.T. Interaction because the good ones will recognize the Humanity in an intelligent alien being once they do encounter one. I think that C.S. Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and that Hideous Strength are good candidates for what the Third Testament is going to be like. C.S. Lewis is kind of OUR era's Elijah, preparing the way for what's to come. There is this view, though, in Christian circles that "Aliens are Demons" and the opposite extreme of the "Jesus was an Alien Elusynian Mysteries" view on Joe Rogan is the "Aliens are Demons" writeoff. That's fine when you are applying it to paranormal phenomena being discussed here on Earth when its being used to advance an agenda of getting rid of Right and Wrong. But when you are on an actual physical space colony on another world and dealing with intelligent extraterrestrial natives, the "Aliens are Demons" view can lead to you genociding them. It can also be used by Oligarchs to justify an imperial conquest, just like they did when they said that Blacks and Indians didn't have souls. So the Third Testament will be an injunction against some toxic, warped view of Christianity that turns the New Jerusalem into an imperial conquest settler colonial genocide thing offworld. It will instead teach Win-Win cooperation with any intelligent extraterrestrial civilizations we might encounter on our journeys beyond.

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The top picture was striking. My father claimed that Dr. Strangelove was Henry Kissinger.

I first saw the movie in 1965, watched it again with our son 12 years ago when he was studying 20th Century history (Cold War phase), and I couldn't have confirmed that the leading photo wasn't Peter Sellers.

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I also appreciate Matt and the other guy distinguishing between true Zionism, which is a Homeland for the Jewish People from our Indigenous place, and the evil Zionism which the Deep State has created and used for their own nefarious purposes. The Maori of NZ have recognized Judea as the rightful Homeland of the Indigenous Jewish People btw.

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not being sidetracked and sticking with the topic discussed:

great conversation...so full of info for those just learning about these things...

"Network" is a very interesting movie, written by the great Paddy Chayefsky, it starred William Holden and Faye Dunaway, and Peter Finch was the news anchor who lost his mind, and got the viewers to open their windows and yell "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!".

When "The Colbert Report" ended, the last episode was a Who's Who of past guests--including, of all people, Henry Kissinger, who seemed to enjoy his moment in "show business"...ironically, they played out to Vera Lynn singing "We'll Meet Again", which was the ending of "Dr. Strangelove"...many people attributed the title character to Edward Teller, who invented the H-bomb, but in fact, Stanley Kubrick said he was based on Henry Kissinger.

Given Kissinger's early years as you've discussed, it makes me wonder how Eleanor Roosevelt could have been on friendly terms with him. I went to Brandeis U, and in the early days, Eleanor Roosevelt made the Politics Dept what it was, and Henry would wander over from Cambridge to Waltham from time to time, to informally speak with the students, sitting under trees in the autumn or the spring, at her invitation, at that time he was a Democrat.

re Colbert and Kissinger and Dr. Strangelove, looking back on it, they were clearly all in on "the joke" except that it wasn't funny.

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